# Carbonite Black Plus MV in 4K **URL:** \ **Category:** Production Switchers\ **Created:** [November 19, 2017, 11:19pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285 "2017-11-19T23:19:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/7ba0ec/32.png) [@jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/u/jamesflood)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 11:19pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/1 "2017-11-19T23:19:00Z")
Hi If I want to use my Carbonite Black Plus in 4K, how many multiviewers do I get for internal sources and external inputs please, also how many heads ? ---
**Author:** ![leso\_reilly](https://rossvideo.community/user_avatar/rossvideo.community/leso_reilly/32/159_2.png) [@leso\_reilly](https://rossvideo.community/u/leso_reilly)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 7:30am UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/2 "2017-11-20T07:30:00Z")
Hi James, Version 14 is almost out and you will have to upgrade to 14 for UHD and use 12.3 for HD/3G. In UHD. Output 1/2 is going to be the ONLY system MV and can have up to 16 windows so it’s a copy on both. Outputs 23-24-24 will be the I/O MV and you will get Quads since each has 3 Inputs and 1 output Available to it. These come out as 1080i. In UHD outputs 3/4/5/6 are a 2SI Output. Same for 7/8/9/10. The other 3 Quads can be either 2SI or SQD. Plus those can have a down convert also. Total is 9 in 5 Out UHD Plus 4 MV. [#Carbonite](https://livinglive.community/search?s=tags%3A%22Carbonite%22&executesearch=true) ---
**Author:** ![jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/7ba0ec/32.png) [@jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/u/jamesflood)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 7:16pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/3 "2017-11-20T19:16:00Z")
Thanks, Les, so on the system MV those 16 tiles are HD correct so for PGM /PVW I use 8, and then I effectively can have 2 more UHD sources, correct, can I also put my PGMPVW on the other MVs and use the system one all for inputs ? Thanks [#Carbonite](https://livinglive.community/search?s=tags%3A%22Carbonite%22&executesearch=true) ---
**Author:** ![leso\_reilly](https://rossvideo.community/user_avatar/rossvideo.community/leso_reilly/32/159_2.png) [@leso\_reilly](https://rossvideo.community/u/leso_reilly)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 8:55pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/4 "2017-11-20T20:55:00Z")
The Tiles are not UHD – The MV is a 1080P MV (sorry not i as mentioned above - in 1080p Mode the MV is 1080i). The Windows will leverage the 2SI system processing and essentially display one of the links in the MV since those display the full raster of the image. QSD Inputs are converted to 2SI on the input Card since all of the inputs have the Converters on a Black Plus frame. Inputs – There is only 9 Inputs. If you want to use an HD input it gets converted to UHD on the input card Processing to UHD 2SI. So NO MATTER what you run you have only 9 Inputs. They are consecutive – Input 1 is BNCs 1/2/3/4, Input 2 is BNCs 5/6/7/8, 3 is 9/10/11/12 and etc… until you get to Input 9 33/34/35/36. Inputs can be UHD 2SI, UHD SQD or HD – In HD only the first BNC of the Group is used. Output # – OUTPUT TYPE 1 – MV1 (system MV with all inputs and Buses Available) 2 – MV1 (system MV with all inputs and Buses Available - Copy of output 1) 3/4/5/6 – UHD OUTPUT 1 Links 1-4 in 2SI ONLY!! "‹7/8/9/10 – UHD OUTPUT 2 Links 1-4 in 2SI ONLY!! 11/12/13/14 – UHD OUTPUT 3 Links 1-4 in 2SI or QSD or HD Down Convert 15/16/17/18 – UHD OUTPUT 4 Links 1-4 in 2SI or QSD or HD Down Convert 19/20/21/22 – UHD OUTPUT 5 Links 1-4 in 2SI or QSD or HD Down Convert 23 – MV2 I/O MV (Access to Inputs 1/2/3 and OUTPUT 3) 24 – MV3 I/O MV (Access to Inputs 4/5/6 and OUTPUT 4) 25 – MV4 I/O MV (Access to Inputs 7/8/9 and OUTPUT 5) So what ever you assign to Output 3-4-5 is what you will have on those I/O MVs. [#Carbonite](https://livinglive.community/search?s=tags%3A%22Carbonite%22&executesearch=true) ---
**Author:** ![jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/7ba0ec/32.png) [@jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/u/jamesflood)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 9:49pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/5 "2017-11-20T21:49:00Z")
that’s how many configurable outputs do I get from the ME? also I guess they could just be Auxs.? [#Carbonite](https://livinglive.community/search?s=tags%3A%22Carbonite%22&executesearch=true) ---
**Author:** ![leso\_reilly](https://rossvideo.community/user_avatar/rossvideo.community/leso_reilly/32/159_2.png) [@leso\_reilly](https://rossvideo.community/u/leso_reilly)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/6 "2017-11-20T22:09:00Z")
In UHD there is 1 ME and 2 MiniME (though in UHD the MiniME have 2 Full Keyers and a Full Preview – so really they are Half ME 🙂 but hey MiniME is still a cool name). You can assign ME PGM, ME PV and ME CLN. Then you also have the 2 MIniME PGM and PVs. Plus you have Aux Buses and Internal sources like the 2 UHD Media Stores (they have dedicated Alpha channels but can NOT be used as 4 Video Only channels). [#Carbonite](https://livinglive.community/search?s=tags%3A%22Carbonite%22&executesearch=true) ---
**Author:** ![jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/7ba0ec/32.png) [@jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/u/jamesflood)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 4:49pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/7 "2017-11-22T16:49:00Z")
Great thanks, will there be any documentation for the new software explaining this ? [#Carbonite](https://livinglive.community/search?s=tags%3A%22Carbonite%22&executesearch=true) ---
**Author:** ![jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/7ba0ec/32.png) [@jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/u/jamesflood)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 6:53pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/8 "2017-11-22T18:53:00Z")
Is there a way I can work in Quad division and have multiviewer as UHD ? [#Carbonite](https://livinglive.community/search?s=tags%3A%22Carbonite%22&executesearch=true) ---
**Author:** ![leso\_reilly](https://rossvideo.community/user_avatar/rossvideo.community/leso_reilly/32/159_2.png) [@leso\_reilly](https://rossvideo.community/u/leso_reilly)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/9 "2017-11-22T20:42:00Z")
The Upgrade files are now up on the website – All of the manuals are with the downloads. You also get both v14 and v12.3 sets in the download so that you can bounce between the two without having to re-download. The system is processing in 2SI - IN SQD you lose all kinds of abilities as now to move a DVE to a Quadrant you would need to move 4 tiles into a single quadrant. That is why 2SI is the preferred for everything 🙂 Now with a Black Plus inputs can be either as it will do the conversion of SQD sources into 2SI. Then you have those 3 outputs that will give you ability to send out SQD as needed. The MVs are in 1080p there is no UHD MV. However if you use a Quad SDI to HDMI 2.0 converter you can connect the 4 heads directly to a single UHD monitor and have all 4 MVs inside of it that way. [#Carbonite](https://livinglive.community/search?s=tags%3A%22Carbonite%22&executesearch=true) ---
**Author:** ![jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/7ba0ec/32.png) [@jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/u/jamesflood)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 6:17pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/10 "2017-11-23T18:17:00Z")
Thanks les I’ve downloaded but only see v12.3 info ??? Help! [#Carbonite](https://livinglive.community/search?s=tags%3A%22Carbonite%22&executesearch=true) ---
**Author:** ![leso\_reilly](https://rossvideo.community/user_avatar/rossvideo.community/leso_reilly/32/159_2.png) [@leso\_reilly](https://rossvideo.community/u/leso_reilly)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 8:19pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/11 "2017-11-23T20:19:00Z")
[https://www.rossvideo.com/production-switchers/carbonite-black/software/](https://www.rossvideo.com/production-switchers/carbonite-black/software/) There are TWO boxes now for downloads – One is for 12.3 ONLY and the other is for 14. Attached is a screen shot of the that page above. ![](https://discourse-rossvideo-uploads-east2.s3.dualstack.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/original/2X/d/d9776527767efd8452187c25e5097ce93271ea0c.jpeg) [#Carbonite](https://livinglive.community/search?s=tags%3A%22Carbonite%22&executesearch=true) ---
**Author:** ![jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/7ba0ec/32.png) [@jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/u/jamesflood)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 9:03pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/12 "2017-11-23T21:03:00Z")
sorry my bad [#Carbonite](https://livinglive.community/search?s=tags%3A%22Carbonite%22&executesearch=true) ---
**Author:** ![jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/7ba0ec/32.png) [@jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/u/jamesflood)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/13 "2017-11-27T21:29:00Z")
can I take the MV back in as a source if I need a multi way box? [#Carbonite](https://livinglive.community/search?s=tags%3A%22Carbonite%22&executesearch=true) ---
**Author:** ![leso\_reilly](https://rossvideo.community/user_avatar/rossvideo.community/leso_reilly/32/159_2.png) [@leso\_reilly](https://rossvideo.community/u/leso_reilly)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/14 "2017-11-27T21:33:00Z")
Well it is a 1080p video so you would have to loop it back into an input and then apply the HD to UHD conversion. Also in the MV the system is only using a single link of the 2SI to display these in the MV. I don’t think your going to like the quality of it. [#Carbonite](https://livinglive.community/search?s=tags%3A%22Carbonite%22&executesearch=true) ---
**Author:** ![jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/7ba0ec/32.png) [@jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/u/jamesflood)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 4:19pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/15 "2017-12-01T16:19:00Z")
Is it not the same as looking at a 3G source, resized? [#Carbonite](https://livinglive.community/search?s=tags%3A%22Carbonite%22&executesearch=true) ---
**Author:** ![leso\_reilly](https://rossvideo.community/user_avatar/rossvideo.community/leso_reilly/32/159_2.png) [@leso\_reilly](https://rossvideo.community/u/leso_reilly)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 7:22pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/16 "2017-12-01T19:22:00Z")
No I would not equate it to that. there can be some edge issues and what looks like aliasing problems. We a DVE or a Conversion there are filters applied to “squeeze” it down. This is just missing pixels that were tossed out. If I tried to give an example it would be like in the Digital SD to Analog Conversion days (I swear I entered the industry at the tail end of this :D) where you would use an 8Bit encoder for the Monitoring outputs but 10bit(or 12bit Quantizing) for “Program/Transmission” paths as the image would not look great but was very cost effective for displaying on the Monitor wall – you know back when monitor walls were made of all kinds of monitors 🙂 [#Carbonite](https://livinglive.community/search?s=tags%3A%22Carbonite%22&executesearch=true) ---
**Author:** ![jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/7ba0ec/32.png) [@jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/u/jamesflood)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/17 "2017-12-01T21:19:00Z")
ok how many 4K DVE boxes can I make (as my MV trick doesn’t sound good) ? [#Carbonite](https://livinglive.community/search?s=tags%3A%22Carbonite%22&executesearch=true) ---
**Author:** ![leso\_reilly](https://rossvideo.community/user_avatar/rossvideo.community/leso_reilly/32/159_2.png) [@leso\_reilly](https://rossvideo.community/u/leso_reilly)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/18 "2017-12-01T21:42:00Z")
There are 2 UHD DVEs so you can make a 2 Box. [#Carbonite](https://livinglive.community/search?s=tags%3A%22Carbonite%22&executesearch=true) ---
**Author:** ![jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/7ba0ec/32.png) [@jamesflood](https://rossvideo.community/u/jamesflood)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 9:45pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/19 "2017-12-01T21:45:00Z")
ok and they are not just 1 stream, they are full resolution? [#Carbonite](https://livinglive.community/search?s=tags%3A%22Carbonite%22&executesearch=true) ---
**Author:** ![leso\_reilly](https://rossvideo.community/user_avatar/rossvideo.community/leso_reilly/32/159_2.png) [@leso\_reilly](https://rossvideo.community/u/leso_reilly)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285/20 "2017-12-01T21:53:00Z")
Correct the switch is processing in UHD – we just need to pass the video into the system and around it in Quad2SI. This has to do with maximum data rates. However the processing is put back into the full UHD raster. [#Carbonite](https://livinglive.community/search?s=tags%3A%22Carbonite%22&executesearch=true) [Next page](https://rossvideo.community/t/carbonite-black-plus-mv-in-4k/10285.md?page=2)