Graphics

Just going to shoot off the hip here without trying to do a practical test ...

An invisible published text area that determines the seconds/frames. Following 30 frames or 1 frame or a pause event is a script that jumps the scene back and decrements the published text till it hits zero and lets it play through.

So I take it that there isn't a feature that I have missed, it would have to be done as a work-around in scripting or VL?

I can cue the graphics manually, I'm just kind of surprised that Xpression doesn't have this as a standard feature since I have seen it in other, much less robust graphics programs.

Just going to shoot off the hip here without trying to do a practical test ...

An invisible published text area that determines the seconds/frames. Following 30 frames or 1 frame or a pause event is a script that jumps the scene back and decrements the published text till it hits zero and lets it play through.

I just red you want to manualy continue - in my suggestion you have different groups and sometimes you want the rundown all in one group together. The one thing that would be great some day is groups within groups. Then a way for that is too script it. Yes with a hidden text what is published where you give in the frames etc. and then you can set the position off the offline via script or proppably some other ways. What I once did was a very siple way - I had times that been known in advance like 5 options 1 sec /2 sec... there I just put the offline on different tracks and turned via script the tracks on and off - so many different ways there. But maybe somebody else has something super simple there in mind - sometimes you do not see the forest with all that trees in the way. Greetings Nicole

what about group timed advance manually? 

I just red you want to manualy continue - in my suggestion you have different groups and sometimes you want the rundown all in one group together. The one thing that would be great some day is groups within groups. Then a way for that is too script it. Yes with a hidden text what is published where you give in the frames etc. and then you can set the position off the offline via script or proppably some other ways. What I once did was a very siple way - I had times that been known in advance like 5 options 1 sec /2 sec... there I just put the offline on different tracks and turned via script the tracks on and off - so many different ways there. But maybe somebody else has something super simple there in mind - sometimes you do not see the forest with all that trees in the way. Greetings Nicole

Thank you all for the suggestions! I figured there would be a way to accomplish this through scripting or VL, and the group thing might work, it just seems a bit cumbersome when a simple "drag to adjust clip duration" feature would be much faster and easier, especially for an operator who needs to adjust the timing for individual graphics on the fly.

what about group timed advance manually? 

I just red you want to manualy continue - in my suggestion you have different groups and sometimes you want the rundown all in one group together. The one thing that would be great some day is groups within groups. Then a way for that is too script it. Yes with a hidden text what is published where you give in the frames etc. and then you can set the position off the offline via script or proppably some other ways. What I once did was a very siple way - I had times that been known in advance like 5 options 1 sec /2 sec... there I just put the offline on different tracks and turned via script the tracks on and off - so many different ways there. But maybe somebody else has something super simple there in mind - sometimes you do not see the forest with all that trees in the way. Greetings Nicole

I can see how this could be an option as long as you were using Transition Logic otherwise it would be hard to determine where exactly the extra frames should be added or taken away from. 

Thank you all for the suggestions! I figured there would be a way to accomplish this through scripting or VL, and the group thing might work, it just seems a bit cumbersome when a simple "drag to adjust clip duration" feature would be much faster and easier, especially for an operator who needs to adjust the timing for individual graphics on the fly.

what about group timed advance manually? 

I just red you want to manualy continue - in my suggestion you have different groups and sometimes you want the rundown all in one group together. The one thing that would be great some day is groups within groups. Then a way for that is too script it. Yes with a hidden text what is published where you give in the frames etc. and then you can set the position off the offline via script or proppably some other ways. What I once did was a very siple way - I had times that been known in advance like 5 options 1 sec /2 sec... there I just put the offline on different tracks and turned via script the tracks on and off - so many different ways there. But maybe somebody else has something super simple there in mind - sometimes you do not see the forest with all that trees in the way. Greetings Nicole

Hmmm, yeah that is a good point, I am curious now as to how that function works in other graphics software. We just recently made the switch to Xpression from Singular.live, and they have a "timer" field on their sequencer side, which adjusts the overall duration of the graphic, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzByiPdKZ6g) so I'm wondering if they are just adding frames in the middle? Or maybe have it set up so that it ignores the transitions somehow?

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Jonah Applegarth
Graphics Operator
Straight Arrow News
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Original Message:
Sent: 11-14-2023 09:12
From: Simon Redmile
Subject: Change graphic duration from the Xpression sequencer

I can see how this could be an option as long as you were using Transition Logic otherwise it would be hard to determine where exactly the extra frames should be added or taken away from. 

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Simon Redmile
Senior Graphic Programmer & Designer
Ross Video
Bristol United Kingdom


Original Message:
Sent: 11-14-2023 08:45
From: Jonah Applegarth
Subject: Change graphic duration from the Xpression sequencer

Thank you all for the suggestions! I figured there would be a way to accomplish this through scripting or VL, and the group thing might work, it just seems a bit cumbersome when a simple "drag to adjust clip duration" feature would be much faster and easier, especially for an operator who needs to adjust the timing for individual graphics on the fly.

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Jonah Applegarth
Graphics Operator
Straight Arrow News


Original Message:
Sent: 11-13-2023 05:02
From: Simon Redmile
Subject: Change graphic duration from the Xpression sequencer

what about group timed advance manually? 

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Simon Redmile
Senior Graphic Programmer & Designer
Ross Video
Bristol United Kingdom


Original Message:
Sent: 11-11-2023 05:17
From: Nicole Schindeldecker
Subject: Change graphic duration from the Xpression sequencer

I just red you want to manualy continue - in my suggestion you have different groups and sometimes you want the rundown all in one group together. The one thing that would be great some day is groups within groups. Then a way for that is too script it. Yes with a hidden text what is published where you give in the frames etc. and then you can set the position off the offline via script or proppably some other ways. What I once did was a very siple way - I had times that been known in advance like 5 options 1 sec /2 sec... there I just put the offline on different tracks and turned via script the tracks on and off - so many different ways there. But maybe somebody else has something super simple there in mind - sometimes you do not see the forest with all that trees in the way. Greetings Nicole

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Nicole Schindeldecker
FERNSEHGRAFIK

Hmmm, yeah that is a good point, I am curious now as to how that function works in other graphics software. We just recently made the switch to Xpression from Singular.live, and they have a "timer" field on their sequencer side, which adjusts the overall duration of the graphic, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzByiPdKZ6g) so I'm wondering if they are just adding frames in the middle? Or maybe have it set up so that it ignores the transitions somehow?

I can see how this could be an option as long as you were using Transition Logic otherwise it would be hard to determine where exactly the extra frames should be added or taken away from. 

Thank you all for the suggestions! I figured there would be a way to accomplish this through scripting or VL, and the group thing might work, it just seems a bit cumbersome when a simple "drag to adjust clip duration" feature would be much faster and easier, especially for an operator who needs to adjust the timing for individual graphics on the fly.

what about group timed advance manually? 

I just red you want to manualy continue - in my suggestion you have different groups and sometimes you want the rundown all in one group together. The one thing that would be great some day is groups within groups. Then a way for that is too script it. Yes with a hidden text what is published where you give in the frames etc. and then you can set the position off the offline via script or proppably some other ways. What I once did was a very siple way - I had times that been known in advance like 5 options 1 sec /2 sec... there I just put the offline on different tracks and turned via script the tracks on and off - so many different ways there. But maybe somebody else has something super simple there in mind - sometimes you do not see the forest with all that trees in the way. Greetings Nicole

Looking into Singualr they only have preset animations that you can adjust the curves and times on so it's much simpler for them to have this timer feature versus XPression which has completely customizable keyframe animations. 

Not to say we shouldn't consider something along these lines, just that its simpler when you only have presets. 

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Simon Redmile
Senior Graphic Programmer & Designer
Ross Video
Bristol United Kingdom
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Original Message:
Sent: 11-15-2023 06:33
From: Jonah Applegarth
Subject: Change graphic duration from the Xpression sequencer

Hmmm, yeah that is a good point, I am curious now as to how that function works in other graphics software. We just recently made the switch to Xpression from Singular.live, and they have a "timer" field on their sequencer side, which adjusts the overall duration of the graphic, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzByiPdKZ6g) so I'm wondering if they are just adding frames in the middle? Or maybe have it set up so that it ignores the transitions somehow?

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Jonah Applegarth
Graphics Operator
Straight Arrow News


Original Message:
Sent: 11-14-2023 09:12
From: Simon Redmile
Subject: Change graphic duration from the Xpression sequencer

I can see how this could be an option as long as you were using Transition Logic otherwise it would be hard to determine where exactly the extra frames should be added or taken away from. 

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Simon Redmile
Senior Graphic Programmer & Designer
Ross Video
Bristol United Kingdom


Original Message:
Sent: 11-14-2023 08:45
From: Jonah Applegarth
Subject: Change graphic duration from the Xpression sequencer

Thank you all for the suggestions! I figured there would be a way to accomplish this through scripting or VL, and the group thing might work, it just seems a bit cumbersome when a simple "drag to adjust clip duration" feature would be much faster and easier, especially for an operator who needs to adjust the timing for individual graphics on the fly.

------------------------------
Jonah Applegarth
Graphics Operator
Straight Arrow News


Original Message:
Sent: 11-13-2023 05:02
From: Simon Redmile
Subject: Change graphic duration from the Xpression sequencer

what about group timed advance manually? 

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Simon Redmile
Senior Graphic Programmer & Designer
Ross Video
Bristol United Kingdom


Original Message:
Sent: 11-11-2023 05:17
From: Nicole Schindeldecker
Subject: Change graphic duration from the Xpression sequencer

I just red you want to manualy continue - in my suggestion you have different groups and sometimes you want the rundown all in one group together. The one thing that would be great some day is groups within groups. Then a way for that is too script it. Yes with a hidden text what is published where you give in the frames etc. and then you can set the position off the offline via script or proppably some other ways. What I once did was a very siple way - I had times that been known in advance like 5 options 1 sec /2 sec... there I just put the offline on different tracks and turned via script the tracks on and off - so many different ways there. But maybe somebody else has something super simple there in mind - sometimes you do not see the forest with all that trees in the way. Greetings Nicole

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Nicole Schindeldecker
FERNSEHGRAFIK