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CRAWL IN XPRESSION

  • 1.  CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 02-09-2023 15:42

    Hi

    I'm doing a crawl in xpression and i got it to work, but my blue graphics and logo won't come out on the screen. I have attached pictures.

    I have a my text link to an exel spreedsheet. Any suggestions? Also, how do i get the logo to NOT come out in between the crawl when there is nothing on the crawl?

    Thank you. 



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    Lazaro Lopez
    TV/DIRECTOR/EDITOR
    MIAMI DADE COUNTY
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  • 2.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 02-09-2023 15:50

    Use visual logic on the visibility of the logo. 



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    Simon Redmile
    Senior Graphic Programmer & Designer
    Ross Video
    Bristol United Kingdom
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  • 3.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 02-09-2023 19:28

    Thank you. Visual logic worked great. Any suggestions on why I don't get the blue line going across? I get the crawl but no graphic underneath. I did it as a scene group with %relid% but the graphic doesn't come out. I build  the crawl the classic way.  Thank you 



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    Lazaro Lopez
    videographer/editor
    miami dade county
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  • 4.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 02-10-2023 04:02

    Are you taking the scene group on air? Is there any animation? Is there any mask? 



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    Simon Redmile
    Senior Graphic Programmer & Designer
    Ross Video
    Bristol United Kingdom
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  • 5.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 02-10-2023 05:16

    Hi Laz,

    for me it looks like you are mixing up 2 things.

    First way:

    You can build a crawl with a SceneGroup - what later is on the squencer just 1 single scene. 

    There you have to put all other scenes as children into the scene group - so on picture 2 should be Scene 2 ... Scene 3... inside the SceneGroup. When you playout that scene then the background will be there. In Xpression University Video QT172 shows it.

    Second way:

    What you did in the sequencer is to make a group crawl and inside the group you used single scenes - that is another way to do it. But you still need a background scene out of this group maybe in another group. Put it on the same Framebuffer but one layer lower. You have to start both groups eather manualy or if you want exactly at the same time you can write a keyboard macro.

    Greetins Nicole



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    Nicole Schindeldecker
    FERNSEHGRAFIK
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  • 6.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 02-10-2023 10:10

    If i drag the SCENE GROUP into the sequencer I should be able to play the scene 1 correct?  How about if i datalinq other rows for the crawl? Then all other scenes should play right?  I'm trying to do what university video QT 178 did using <%relid%> but it didn't work out for me. I never saw my text even thou it was datalinq. I'm sure i missed a step, but i've seen the video like 20 times. If i can't get it to work, i'll use it how i have it now. 

    Thank you Nicole.

    Red.... The visual Logic worked GREAT! Thank you.



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    Lazaro Lopez
    TV/DIRECTOR/EDITOR
    MIAMI DADE COUNTY
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  • 7.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 02-10-2023 10:51

    I have time for a teams session when you have internet on your system - or i quickly show you on mine - email schindeldecker@gmx.de

    When you want to use the dataloinq relid - forget the scenegroup in the layout build a normal scene datalinq it to your excel. make shure the group you have has the correct Take id - relid calculates group id minus takeid of the scene .- so incasee group is 100 and first scene is 101 - it is 100 - 101 makes row 1 in the excel. 



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    Nicole Schindeldecker
    FERNSEHGRAFIK
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  • 8.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 02-10-2023 10:58

    By the way did you ever see anything out of Excel? Did you setup your Excel correct? 



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    Nicole Schindeldecker
    FERNSEHGRAFIK
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  • 9.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 02-10-2023 11:18

    I did that where i build a normal scene but when i played it my blue line graphic and logos all moved with the graphic. Yes, i can log in to see on your computer. Our Xpression is in use right now. Can we do a zoom meeting? You have Microsoft Teams? 

    Everything was correct in the Excel Sheet



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    Lazaro Lopez
    TV/DIRECTOR/EDITOR
    MIAMI DADE COUNTY
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  • 10.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 02-10-2023 11:24

    Teams is fine - send me a invite and I quickly show it on my system



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    Nicole Schindeldecker
    FERNSEHGRAFIK
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  • 11.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 02-10-2023 11:36

    You added me to your company team - not so practicle. Mail me at my email your email adress and I just start a normal session and send you a invite. Cheers Nicole



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    Nicole Schindeldecker
    FERNSEHGRAFIK
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  • 12.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 03-08-2023 13:05

    Hi Nicole,

    I have another question about the crawl. LOL.

    I have my text for my crawl datalinq to a excel worksheet. On my sequencer side of xpression I have 25 scenes. When we do our meetings we possibly can have 25 agenda items that the commissioners can vote on or more. For now I have 25 scenes. On my excel worksheet i only have 5  rows with text. 

    How do i get my crawl to start back from the beginning? After the 5th row in excel, my rows are blank and my crawl doesn't start from row 1 again.I noticed that its still reading all my other scenes in  my sequencer even thou i dont have text on them, then it starts from the beginning like  45 seconds later. 

    Thank you.



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    Lazaro Lopez
    TV/DIRECTOR/EDITOR
    MIAMI DADE COUNTY
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  • 13.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 03-08-2023 14:10

    Hi Laz,

    it reads always all the scenes that are in the group. If you do it manualy there are 2 ways eather just disable all not used scenes 6006 to 6025 with "Control" and " D" then they will be not red. If you used "relid" in the scenes you can also just delete them and later for more used insert them again.

    By the way nothing to do with your problem: Ceck also if you read out of $tablename of the excel. It is always better to read out of a selfnamed table in excel. If you google "how to create a table with name manager in excel" you will get informations.

    For the automaticly without a gap and always having 25 scenes you have to ask Simon for more ideas.

    Cheers Nicole



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    Nicole Schindeldecker
    FERNSEHGRAFIK
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  • 14.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 03-08-2023 14:46

    Ok. Thank you Nicole. I was thinking the same thing to just delete then add, but i was wondering if another way. How do i get a hold of Simon? Can i pick who i send a message too?



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    Lazaro Lopez
    TV/DIRECTOR/EDITOR
    MIAMI DADE COUNTY
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  • 15.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 03-08-2023 15:30

    Bit higher under 4 you can reply to him dirctly. Have you tried Ctrl D = disable 

    I was thinking maybe a script that asks before the scene goes online if their is data in the datalinq and if not to disable the scene - but not shure at all if that would work.



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    Nicole Schindeldecker
    FERNSEHGRAFIK
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  • 16.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 03-08-2023 15:37

    I tried it and nothing. Also, I was thinking a visual logic because I'm using it for the logo not to appear when no text and that's working fine. I just couldn't find for the problem I'm having. Maybe it's there but I don't see it. I'm new to all this. Lol. I'm getting there thou.

    Lazaro Lopez, TV Director/Editor

    Communications and Customer Experience Department(305) 375-2432

    miamidade.gov

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  • 17.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 03-08-2023 15:34

    To make a crawl work using datalinq to an excel I'd recommend using the scene group method not the sequence group method. 

    With that method you'd only need 3-5 scene max to work through the entire datasheet no matter how many entries it had. 



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    Simon Redmile
    Senior Graphic Programmer & Designer
    Ross Video
    Bristol United Kingdom
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  • 18.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 03-08-2023 15:45

    Ok. I can still use %RELID% that way for it to read all the other scenes? If I remember before I tried to do it that way, but relid didn't work for me to read all the other scenes.

    So If I set up a scene group with 5 scenes attached to it how do it make it read 25 items on my excel sheet?  

    Thanks.

     

    Lazaro Lopez, TV Director/Editor

    Communications and Customer Experience Department(305) 375-2432

    miamidade.gov

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  • 19.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 03-08-2023 15:46

    No you don't use relid you use the n+x method in the datalinq connection. You only have 1 scene in your sequencer. 



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    Simon Redmile
    Senior Graphic Programmer & Designer
    Ross Video
    Bristol United Kingdom
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  • 20.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 03-08-2023 15:55

    I'm sorry Red but I'm new to this and learning everyday. What is the N + X METHOD IN DATALINQ? I KNOW how to datalinq to excel. Is that doing it another way? Do you have a tutorial video for that?

    thanks

     

    Lazaro Lopez, TV Director/Editor

    Communications and Customer Experience Department(305) 375-2432

    miamidade.gov

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  • 21.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 03-08-2023 15:58

    I'll contact you, it's hard to explain with words, better to show. 



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    Simon Redmile
    Senior Graphic Programmer & Designer
    Ross Video
    Bristol United Kingdom
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  • 22.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 03-21-2023 09:36
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    Where do I put the n+0 to start? This is whAt I get.  Do I put in column, row or table? I tried putting it after column like this <n+0> but didn't work. After the 5 entries it started back from beginning.  It didn't continue to other entries. 

    I have a scene group with 5 scenes. And fyi I'm using an excel worksheet. Thanks.



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    Lazaro Lopez
    TV/DIRECTOR/EDITOR
    MIAMI DADE COUNTY
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  • 23.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 03-21-2023 10:09

    You put it in Row: <n+0>

    Cheers Nicole



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    Nicole Schindeldecker
    FERNSEHGRAFIK
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  • 24.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 03-21-2023 10:21

    It will not give you the loop without a gap - time to have a teams chat?



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    Nicole Schindeldecker
    FERNSEHGRAFIK
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  • 25.  RE: CRAWL IN XPRESSION

    Posted 03-14-2023 09:03
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    Hi Laz,

    this is a solution just for a certan amount of entries - in your case I tnink you said the editor fills in only up to 25 lines in the excel.

    First make shure you created a named table in excel that is only 25 entries.

    If you have the group solution with item that takes the data from excel via %relid% you will duplicate that scene an make only scene 1 different with a script. You make in that scene 1 a group with or in my case a made a Layer who I set only on preview with the other 24 items as Textobject. They need the names as "numbers" st"rting from 2 .... the amount you need. You connect those to your excel and the coresponding rows. Disable the viewing of them. Then you put that script on "on online" of that scene (example is only to 9) :

    dim takeitem as xpTakeItem
    dim crawlitem as xpTextObject
    dim i as integer

    for i = 2 to 25
        self.GetObjectByName (i, crawlitem)
        engine.Sequencer.GetTakeItemByID(i, takeitem)

        if crawlitem.Text = "" then
            takeitem.Disabled = true
        else
            takeitem.Disabled = false
        end if

    next

     It then automaticly disables or enables the scenes in your group if they are filled or not and looping the group is seamingless. Do not forget to unhook empty page on start and end when you loop the group. My Datalinq conection was called "Crawltext".

    Demozip attached. Greetings Nicole



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    Nicole Schindeldecker
    FERNSEHGRAFIK
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